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Question for my LJ friends

I still go and check out FF.N because some stories just aren't posted at AO3 or here. I check three fandoms regularly: Doctor Who (with a 10 and Donna filter, aimed to not show stories that also list River ot Rose - because that's not something I'm interested in reading), Broadchurch, and Law & Order: Criminal Intent.

I know writers who won't read others' works so to not create potential for being accused of stealing ideas. I understand the thinking behind that, even though I get ideas from reading others' works. I also don't mind using something from another series as long as the original source is noted and a real effort is made to fit it into the new fandom.

But completely copying a work and just putting different characters in it? Without admitting to the original source material? That's a no-no.

I recent spotted a story on the L&O:CI feed that gave me pause. I'm not naming the title yet, but as I was reading it I kept thinking "this sounds very familiar". Within a few chapters they gave a nickname to a minor character that immediately told me why I knew the story. It was lifted almost completely from the second to last episode of the third season of Bones.

Do I post a review commenting on it? Do I send the author a PM instead? What would you do?


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Aug. 10th, 2016 05:15 am (UTC)
Report it immediately. Give the URL for the original and the stolen piece and include the IDs for both members. Also, send a message to the original author and let them know what has happened, give them the URL of the copy and tell them to report it as well. THEN, leave a short message on the copy, simply stating: ""This has been flagged as theft"" (on every chapter if there is more than one). And leave it at that. My readers did this for me and it worked.
Aug. 10th, 2016 01:01 pm (UTC)
The only complication is that it's from an episode from another series, not another writer. So there's not exactly a URL I could post. It'd take someone familiar with Bones to know that it's been lifted.

It's been resolved. The author had had a note in there, but it got deleted after a beta read it. Said it's going back in.

Edited at 2016-08-12 04:25 am (UTC)
Aug. 10th, 2016 12:08 pm (UTC)
Hm. Well, there's two ways to go, depending on how nice you want to be about it. If you just want the story removed, report it to ffnet and let them handle it. From what I understand, they'll let the author know it's not okay to copy a story so obviously from another show. (And if the admins decide that it's not a blatant enough theft, then they'll leave it.)

If you want to be nice and help the author, message him/her and explain what the problem is and why it's not acceptable. Most authors who want to improve will appreciate that you took the time to help. Then, if the person attacks you for it, you can report it (both the story and the abuse).

I wouldn't post a review - I prefer taking criticism of any kind to private message because I think a lot of people don't like other people seeing it.
Aug. 10th, 2016 01:05 pm (UTC)
I'm willing to give the author a chance to correct the first chapter, and to include a little note about it in each following chapter if need be. If attacked, then yes I'll report both the story and the abuse.

If you saw the episode, you would've caught on as quickly as I did. The key clue was pretty early on. The only thing changed is the discovery of the body. Can't exactly be as gross on L&O:CI as Bones can be.

UPDATE: the author is putting back in the note that apparently got deleted during beta reading.

Edited at 2016-08-12 04:29 am (UTC)
Aug. 12th, 2016 01:33 am (UTC)
Good to hear that it worked out! :)
Aug. 10th, 2016 07:16 pm (UTC)
I have to agree with you about using private messaging for that rather than take it publicly. It is entirely possible the author didn't quite realize what they were doing and see how they respond to your PM. If they didn't consciously do it, then they might try to repair it. If they attack you for it, then absolutely report it.

After all, we are a community to help each other out, so it's best to try to be helpful first.
Aug. 10th, 2016 07:28 pm (UTC)
Interesting question you ask here, because I see a lot of Doctor Who season rewrites, where it's just about the same dialog, just a change of companion (like rewriting Season 2 with Donna instead of Rose, some of those would not be in character for Donna at all, like the jealousy Rose showed to Sarah Jane; she'd make friends). Another thing that's done is to add a Mary Sue character in which shows up the main companion and becomes a love interest for the Doctor. What do you do with those?

Some are quite good, and they do adapt the conditions/responses to be appropriate to the companion swapped in. Prime example of that one is putting Donna in place of Martha for Human Nature/Family of Blood. Martha was limited by the time period to being a maid; no such limitation applied to Donna, so she could be a sister (which they never seem to do) or even his wife. I enjoy those because of the tension. Donna tries to protect the Doctor from himself.

Putting a line or two in that is recognizable is not a terribly egregious thing to do, especially if you're trying to evoke the image from the scene you want people to relate to.
Aug. 12th, 2016 01:29 am (UTC)
Yes, there was recently one with Donna in Series 2. No way Tooth and Claw would've gone the same way in cannon. Queen Victoria would've been pleased with Donna, and Donna would've reined in the Doctor's worst habits.

Ah, the Human Nature/Family of Blood episodes... Yes, I went there in my Flipped series. Only it was bound to be greatly different there. O:)

But the author replied back saying that the note had been there but got deleted during beta reading. It's going back in.
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Aug. 13th, 2016 12:24 pm (UTC)
The author already corrected the first chapter. Yeah, although I've never had to ask my betas to do that. Odd. But I'm not going to spend any more time on it. Got stories of my own to think about.
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